“Any form of music starts at its simplest, gets steadily more complex, and gets to its peak of complexity, where people are doing music not for the audience but for other musicians,” he explains. “Some genres got to this level of complexity and they never came back from it, like jazz — it’s not pop culture any more. It’s a big influence, but you don’t have jazz artists coming out and selling 20,000 tickets at the Staples Center.”
“If a style of music is lucky,” Oak adds, “it resets.”
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